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PostSubject: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Thu 07 Jun 2012, 12:39 pm

Loser

word: Aya Kamiki Music:Schon Arrangement: Schon

賢人的思想? ネガティブなカルチャーここに自由なんてもんはありゃしない
誠実さ見せ合うことで偽善でも善意にするりすり替わって

Who are you? Who am I?
ヤル気が無いって? 何を知ってんの?

誰かに指示される理由なんて無い 誰かの共感さえも今更いらない
綺麗事ならべるくらいなら口より進め

超人的*行為? あれやこれや人にはやれば出来るとか簡単に言っちゃって
そんなもんはただの傷の舐め合い問題は何も解決なんかしちゃいない

Who are you? I'm just me!
そんなにお好きならば 黙って見てな!

誰かを煽てる必要なんて無い 誰かの*fake smile さえも今更いらない
常識なんてもんに惑わされるより叩き壊せ

他人のlife style好きも嫌いもこんなちっぽけな世界じゃ息苦しくてしょーがない
自分善がりで何が悪い? どうせあんたもそう思ってんだろ?

誰かに指示される理由なんて無い 誰かの共感さえも今更いらない
綺麗事ならべるくらいなら口より進め
誰かに指示される理由なんて無い 誰かの*fake smileさえも今更いらない
常識なんてもんに惑わされるより叩き壊せ

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*In her recorded song, instead of "行為"," she is singing with the word "行動." In Japanese, 行為means "the act," and 行動" means "action."

*Also, instead of "fake smile," "whisper" is used.
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Loser

Kenjin teki Shisou? Negative na Culture kokoni Jiyu nante mono wa aryashi nai
Seijitsu sa Mise-au koto de Gizen demo Zeni ni sururi suri kawatte

Who are you? Who am I?
Yaruki ga nai te? Nani o shitten no?

Darekani Sashizu sareru Riyu nante nai
Darekano Kyoukan saemo Imasara iranai
Kireigoto naraberu ku rainara kuchi yori susume

Chou jin teki *Kodo? Areya Koreya Hito niwa Yareba dekiru toka Kantan ni ichatte
Son na Mon wa Tada Kizu no Name ai
Mondai wa Nanimo Kaiketsu nanka shicha inai

Who are you? I'm just me!
Sonnani Osuki naraba Damatte Mitena!

Darekawo Odateru Hituyonante Nai
Dareka no *whisper saemo imasara iranai
Jyoshiki nante mon ni madowa sareru yori Tataki kowase

Tanin no life style suki mo kirai mo konna chippokena sekai jya
ikiguru shikute sho-ganai

Jibun yogari de naniga warui? Douse Anta mo So Omottte Irun Da ro?

Darekani Sashizu sareru Riyu nante nai
Darekano Kyoukan saemo Imasara iranai
Kireigoto naraberu ku rainara kuchi yori susume
Darekawo Odateru Hituyonante Nai
Dareka no *whisper saemo imasara iranai
Jyoshiki nante mon ni madowa sareru yori Tataki kowase

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I am working a translation for this lyric. Please hold on.
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Thu 07 Jun 2012, 7:44 pm

Actually it's "Loser" or "LOSER" ? :)
Thanks for sharing it !
Can't wait for UNREAL :D

EDIT : Just realized that is not Valeria who posted the lyrics but Fumio haha ^^ thanks thanks as well

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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Thu 07 Jun 2012, 9:02 pm

Yeaaah
I'll sing it right now haha ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Thu 07 Jun 2012, 9:49 pm

It's LOSER!

And Kevin, I have posted UNREAL somewhere, shall we move it to this section?

Hahaha sorry I'm being bossy xD
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PostSubject: Loser   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 2:50 am

It is "Loser."

The lyric is from PPC (Unreal pamphlet) I don't know how to post the image in here, but when I find out, I will do it.
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PostSubject: Images   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 4:55 am

Here this is.

Someone told me that the entire staffs (including Aya san) created all 280 pamphlets by their own hands. (I am not sure about the exact number. This is the official number. ) And that was why there were not entirely available. There were many people who could not buy at least 100 people or more. And I was one of them who couldn't.

Some unknown girl told me that every pamphlet was made slightly differently. I have a feeling that the staffs were rushed to make them by the concert date, and that may be why the titles, both "Loser" and "LOSER" are entitled in the same lyric.
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 8:32 am

Cybermoneygod I have checked, you are absolutely right, it is Loser.

It is also true that the pamphlet where too few, and it is really likeble that they have made them all together since Ya can only count on her crew, she's an indipendent artist now.

Every single ppc is signed by her. There are no major differences between them, I have 3 copies and they look all the same...So if you don't have a copy blame Haru Suano and Utena, since I have bought them for these two lovely members!! 爆笑

By the way: Kevin and Utena, your copies! I haven't had the time to go to a post office but I swear I will soon and you'll have your copy!!
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PostSubject: Loser (translation)   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 12:54 pm

Loser
Words: Aya Kamiki

A wise man's thought?
In the negative culture, freedom no longer exists here.
By showing honesty to others,
Even benevolence is easily substituted with hypocrisy.

Who are you? Who am I?
You don't feel like doing anything?
What do you know?

No reason to command me what to do,
I don't want sympathy from anyone now.
Instead of a bunch of fancy excuse,
Shut your mouth and go.

A superhuman action?
Do this, do that, if I try hard enough, I can do it---
It's easy for you to say,
These only nurse each other's wounds,
Hardly solve any problem.

Who are you? I'm just me!
If you like me so much,
Shut up and watch me!

No need for me to flatter someone,
I don't want a whisper from anyone now.
Rather than being puzzled by common sense,
Wreck it

Other people's life styles are, whether you like them or not,
The world that is way too small and suffocates me too much.
What is wrong about being self-satisfied?
You are also thinking about the same thing, aren't you?

No reason to command me what to do,
I don't want sympathy from anyone now.
Instead of a bunch of fancy excuse,
Shut your mouth and go.

No need for me to flatter someone,
I don't want a whisper from anyone now.
Rather than being puzzled by common sense,
Wreck it

Translation: Fumio aka cybermoneygod version 1

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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 12:55 pm

aaaa thanks for the translation *_*


Haha don't blame meee _
I'm just a fan :p this is again amazing what you did it for us Valeria I can't thank you as much as I want to I'll be always grateful to you ^^

Seriously you posted UNREAL lyrics? Where? XD

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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 2:07 pm

Fumio, thanks for the amazing translation, I love the lyrics and it was really hard to translate!

Kevin, I think I was drunk or something because I perfectly know I did not translate the song. Hahahaha Im sorry xD
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Fri 08 Jun 2012, 8:55 pm

Haha she is again saying 'shut up'
what a vulgar girl :p haha
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Sat 09 Jun 2012, 10:46 am

Thank you, cybermoneygod for the English translation. This is one of my favourite songs on Aya's first independant release.
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Sun 10 Jun 2012, 9:55 am

lol, I like this line -

Who are you? I'm just me!
If you like me so much,
Shut up and watch me!

thanks for the translation!
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 29 Aug 2012, 4:50 am

FRENCH

La pense d'un homme sage ?
Dans la culture ngative, la libert n'existe plus ici.
En montrant l'honntet aux autres,
Mme la bienveillance est facilement substitue par l'hypocrisie.

Qui es-tu ? Qui suis-je ?
Tu n'as pas envie de rien faire ?
Que sais-tu ?

Aucune raison de m'ordonner ce qu'il faut faire,
Dsormais, je ne veux la sympathie de personne.
Au lieu d'un tas d'excuses imaginaires,
Ferme ta gueule et va.

Une action surhumaine ?
Fais ci, fais a, si je fais assez d'efforts, je peux le faire.
Il est facile pour toi de dire,
Que cela gurit simplement les blessures de tous,
Et rsout pniblement n'importe quel problme.

Qui es-tu ? Je suis juste moi !
Si tu m'aimes beaucoup,
Ferme la et regarde moi !

Je n'ai pas besoin de flatter quelqu'un,
Dsormais, je ne veux un murmure de personne.
Plutt qu'tre intrigu par le sens commun,
Dtruis le.

Les modes de vie des autres sont, que vous les aimiez ou non,
Le Monde qui est beaucoup trop petit et qui m'touffe.
Quel est le problme avec le fait d'tre satisfait de soi ?
Tu penses galement la mme chose, n'est-ce pas ?

Aucune raison de m'ordonner ce qu'il faut faire,
Dsormais, je ne veux la sympathie de personne.
Au lieu d'un tas d'excuses imaginaires,
Ferme ta gueule et va.

Je n'ai pas besoin de flatter quelqu'un,
Dsormais, je ne veux un murmure de personne.
Plutt qu'tre intrigu par le sens commun,
Dtruis le.


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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 29 Aug 2012, 9:24 am

There is a sentence that I couldn't translate because it makes absolutely no sense ...
So if someone find a sense, let me know
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PostSubject: Which line?   Tue 04 Sep 2012, 7:50 pm

Tamiyo, which sentence does not make any sense? I am just curious. If you can pinpoint the line in the lyric, I may be able to explain it. Of course, I don't understand French, and therefore, you still have to put the sentence in French.
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 12:47 am

Tamiyo wrote:
These only nurse each other's wounds, (??)

I've tried to use a translator : Nothing...
I've asked to several friends : Nothing...
I've asked to an American friend : Nothing...

But !!! She told me it was missing a word or two.
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 1:07 am

I guess "nurse" can be translated with "cure", "take care of". Imagine that "nurse" is "infirmire" in french so you can understand the meaning :)
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 6:46 am

The original sentence is "そんなもんはただの傷のなめ合い
Son na Mon wa Tada Kizu no Name ai

"Sonna Monwa" means "those things," and in this content, "those" means three things, "do this," "do that," and "if I try hard enough, I can do it."

"You" in this lyric is advising Aya , the speaker of the lyric, by giving her these words. And she thinks the advices are "bullshit."

"wa" is a verb "be," and therefore, "are"

"Tada no" means "just" or "simply"

"kizuno nameai" is an idiom. "Kizu" means "wound," and "name(ru)" means "to lick."
"nameai" means to lick one another.

Those are simply "licking each others wounds."

But this is a Japanese idiom, and the idiom often implies a different meaning from the words actually say. "Kizuno nameai" is describing the animals like dogs licking each others wounds to heal the wounds. And the idiom implies, "two people (or more) under the same miserable circumstances are comforting each other "instead of facing the reality that put them miserable. That is partly why the title is a Loser.

This is an example. If you are only person who is getting "F" on the exam, and everyone else gets B+ or above, you feel shamed and isolated. (I dont know how the tests are graded in France, but in the US, we go A, B, C, D, F.)

Then, you find a classmate who also got "F," and you feel unreasonably better since you are not the only one in the class. After school, you and this friend are smiling at each other and telling him that you felt better to find him. He does the same. This is "Kizuno nameai." What they should do is not to talking to one another but to find a tutor to help them for the next exam, but they don't.

In English, "to lick each others wounds" only means "to lick each others wounds." Therefore, in order to indicate that this part is an idiom, I changed "to lick" to "to nurse" meaning "to heal" or as Val pointed out "to cure." "nurse a wound" meaning "to heal a wound." Thus, "nursing each other's wounds."

Besides, two men are licking one another is too "dirty."

There is a limitation in a translation. One translates a lyric and loses some meanings or things in the process. But that is fine with me because what I want to achieve here is not just "translate Aya's lyrics in English." What I want is to make everyone interested in the lyrics and to raise questions, and most importantly, to listen to her words and to understand the meanings of her words while listening to her music. Some phrases I translated are like Yoda in Star Wars speaking, but that is how a Japanese people speak in the language. Sometimes, I intentionally ignore the grammar or changes the words without changing her meanings so that you can listen to /understand her words in the music at the very same time.

And since you ask me this question, I guess I was successful in doing what I want to do. I have no idea how you are going to put them in French, and this is quite stimulating. Please keep working on the other lyrics if you have time and pinpoint the part you don't understand. This is really a great help. Thanks!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 10:15 am

Thank you for this great text !!!
With the explanations of the Kanji sentence I've understood and I've found a good meaning ^^

For translations, I use my personal knowledge but I use too a translator if I have a problem with one or two words in the sentence. Personally, I don't translate word by word, we must tell a story. So, I sometimes change words here and there.

Don't worry, I don't want to translate one or two songs. I need the complete discography in French for a personal project. There's just a little "problem". I absolutely need the English lyrics ... My knowledge isn't sufficient for Japanese (Kanji or Romaji).
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 10:28 am

Tamiyo san, if you do not understand any part of a translation, that means the entire people who only speak French in France do not understand it. That is a big problem since one day Aya may fly to France to have a concert, and you have to prepare French translations for her lyrics. Besides, it is good for everyone to achieve deep understandings of her lyrics. Well, also I want to point out that my English is not perfect. My first language is Japanese, and both my parents are Japanese. I flew to the United States after a high school, and I went to the collage there and earned a degree in English, concentrated in English poetry. The difficulty is this: Aya`s usages of the words are very unique. And these usages make a translation extremely difficult. Sometimes I stop working and think over a day or two to figure out what she is saying in Japanese. Please feel free to post any question regarding the translations. You are quite welcome.

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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 10:43 am

Don't worry, I will not be the most discreet here ^^

And I already prepare myself psychologically for "Rock Me"...
I'm searching a translation for "Rolling the yesterday" since two weeks ^^

I'll find something ahah :p
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PostSubject: Rock Me   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 10:53 am

I wanted to give a poetic interpretation for "Rock Me," but this may shock everyone, and I sort of suspended the work. But if you are going to do it, I will finish it in a few days.
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PostSubject: Re: Loser (Kanji / Romaji / English / French)   Wed 05 Sep 2012, 12:23 pm

Guys I need to be honest with you:

Rock me has no meaning, it is just a jumble of english sentences which happen to be the titles of her songs. The fact that she speaks no english at all makes me think that she just put sentences that rhymed together. My new mission will be asking her the meaning of this xD
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